tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post7827732316065495333..comments2023-12-22T03:20:29.631-07:00Comments on Ilyka Damen: An Open Letter to Sweating Through Fogilykahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-55138671559458334302008-01-10T18:01:00.000-07:002008-01-10T18:01:00.000-07:00Why would anyone want to use Butler's material for...Why would anyone want to use Butler's material for community activism anyhow? That make no sense at all.rrphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01597764473889958956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-27763411364333808682008-01-09T13:11:00.000-07:002008-01-09T13:11:00.000-07:00'Nother white woman here.Read the entire thread an...'Nother white woman here.<BR/><BR/>Read the entire thread and the comments and am impressed, if somewhat confused. I'll admit that Hugo's distinction between purists and populists made sense to me, but I didn't really see any slighting of purists in what he wrote. The question I've been grappling with throughout the years is how academic feminism can be brought to bear actual social/ political results, such as increased funding for domestic violence shelters, literacy for immigrant women, etc. (real issues that we have here in southern California). In other words, how do you translate something like Judith Butler's work into practice for community activism (which, I think, Hugo is really trying to get at)?Sonja Streuber, PMP(R), SSBBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13382967097578165008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-86825185589163153492008-01-08T02:53:00.000-07:002008-01-08T02:53:00.000-07:00Sudy is here! Sudy is here!ALL HAIL THE VIDEO STA...Sudy is here! Sudy is here!<BR/><BR/>ALL HAIL THE VIDEO STAR SUDY.<BR/><BR/><EM>Awesome, you are awesome. THIS is awesome.</EM><BR/><BR/>I'm rubber and you're glue, what you say bounces off me and sticks to you.<BR/><BR/>:Pilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-69971782590533599392008-01-08T01:29:00.000-07:002008-01-08T01:29:00.000-07:00Donna, as far as I'm concerned it's you who should...Donna, as far as I'm concerned it's you who should rightfully CHAIR the clown posse. And I don't mean that the way our lovely friend Vaquera did. I mean it with all love and respect.<BR/><BR/><EM>I talked to my mom. I'll be traveling for the next couple days to be with her and our family. We should be back on Friday since my husband has to be back to work then.</EM><BR/><BR/>Thank you, thank you for letting us know. You've been in my thoughts all day but I didn't want to pester you for updates when I figured you had more than enough on your plate.<BR/><BR/>Travel safe, Donna.ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-12612992444801693622008-01-08T01:23:00.000-07:002008-01-08T01:23:00.000-07:00We'll each need a clown posse clown name, of cours...We'll each need a <A HREF="http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/clowns.htm" REL="nofollow">clown posse clown name,</A> of course.<BR/><BR/>(And yes. I do see it. right there plain as day. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Etc.)Chris Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272742732960580374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-22255115955256963752008-01-08T00:46:00.000-07:002008-01-08T00:46:00.000-07:00It's not right. He was addressing me but why? Why?...It's not right. He was addressing me but why? Why? WHY is it Ilyka's Clown Posse??? I'll feel better if I can have membership to Ilyka's Clown Posse anyway, pretty please?<BR/><BR/>I talked to my mom. I'll be traveling for the next couple days to be with her and our family. We should be back on Friday since my husband has to be back to work then.Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714518339153250453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-10503396236010282212008-01-07T23:50:00.000-07:002008-01-07T23:50:00.000-07:00If you all write a Clown Posse group blog I promis...If you all write a Clown Posse group blog I promise to read it every day.the bewildernesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07897473556532788312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-72419695353905149462008-01-07T17:56:00.000-07:002008-01-07T17:56:00.000-07:00Plus? When the rainbow wig gets all mixed in with ...Plus? <BR/><BR/>When the rainbow wig gets all mixed in with your butt hair? <BR/><BR/>Festive!Chris Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272742732960580374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-39924061723533707882008-01-07T17:23:00.000-07:002008-01-07T17:23:00.000-07:00unlikelypluralityofclowns1car.org?unlikelypluralityofclowns1car.org?R. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-88390271568378055222008-01-07T16:53:00.000-07:002008-01-07T16:53:00.000-07:00"Clown Posse" group blog, anyone?"Clown Posse" group blog, anyone?Chris Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272742732960580374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-72112258057777642992008-01-07T16:36:00.000-07:002008-01-07T16:36:00.000-07:00Oooo, look; now it's the 'clown posse' vs. the Axi...Oooo, look; now it's the 'clown posse' vs. the Axis of Nice Guys.<BR/><BR/>Gilly, get me my squeaky-nose. The red one.Theriomorphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04968544085442387475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-22573643377143001882008-01-07T16:30:00.000-07:002008-01-07T16:30:00.000-07:00'Axis of Nice Guys(TM)'!It's the purists, the extr...'Axis of Nice Guys(TM)'!<BR/><BR/><I>It's the purists, the extremists, who have the most pull.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah. I keep coming back to the P'gon conflation of WOC with 'the Right' that is *still* getting thrown around, and start going ballistic, like:<BR/><BR/>*which part of J and A's allies are evangelical privilege whores do ya not understand?*<BR/><BR/>And hell, you know, I've made plenty of mistakes in choosing allies, and will surely make more. But in this case, I'm not thinking it was a mistake, or an accident. Shared values, shared goals.Theriomorphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04968544085442387475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-14027544665517160132008-01-07T15:40:00.000-07:002008-01-07T15:40:00.000-07:00Also; Axis of "Nice Guys" or what?Also; Axis of "Nice Guys" or what?R. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-22214580185373874872008-01-07T12:31:00.000-07:002008-01-07T12:31:00.000-07:00Aw, now Alon's bucking up Hugo. Because Alon got c...Aw, now Alon's bucking up Hugo. Because Alon got chased out of blogging by other bloggers' "shrillness," so he feels Hugo's pain.<BR/><BR/>This is the first time I've seen "shrill" used to mean "not swayed by my adolescent armchair intellectualizing," but, you know. It's a big world. I learn stuff every day.Chris Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272742732960580374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-65260829375188191152008-01-07T11:30:00.000-07:002008-01-07T11:30:00.000-07:00But for some reason there are like all these lefti...<I>But for some reason there are like all these lefties who think Republican Lite is the way to go and I don't know, I don't get it. You don't win tug-of-wars, culture wars, or political battles by yielding.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, exactly. You win by overwhelming force or by changing the context, not just rolling over. I know which one I prefer: the <A HREF="http://slanttruth.com/2007/10/03/transformative-politics-more-quoatations-or-rigidity-means-death/" REL="nofollow">transformative</A>. <BR/><BR/>That's how you get your 'big tent' to really mean something - by synthesizing and transforming and integrating; by changing the context of the struggle. Not by trying to fit the square peg into the round hole, or insisting that only things (round) peglike need apply.<BR/><BR/>But, of course, <I>real</I> progress, real transformation, real change means real <I>work</I>. You can't just sit there and keep doing the same things over and over again, working within the same narrow paradigm... you have to really sit there and think about what kind of changes need to be made, and what kind of solutions will really benefit everyone involved. Maybe we shouldn't be talking about fitting things into holes at all - maybe we should be talking about piles, or log cabins, or rings. And if what we need is different enough, then we have to <I>build</I> it.<BR/><BR/>... but you have to care, and clearly, that's not going to happen.Magniloquencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15799503502392959135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-80081277580835103702008-01-07T08:12:00.000-07:002008-01-07T08:12:00.000-07:00Holy piss...I just found this thread and am trying...Holy piss...I just found this thread and am trying to get through everything! <BR/><BR/>I kept bouncing between wincing and laughing out loud.<BR/><BR/>Awesome, you are awesome. THIS is awesome.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16013142465038823597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-330923239623062202008-01-06T22:05:00.000-07:002008-01-06T22:05:00.000-07:00Okay, you know - there are people running all over...<EM>Okay, you know - there are people running all over the internet now using the terms 'purist' and 'popularizer' to describe themselves or others in re: feminism.</EM><BR/><BR/>Gonna guess that you went back over to that thread same as I did and saw the comment from Judy?<BR/><BR/>It would be a decent conversation, I guess, were it not for the implied slight against the purists, the <A HREF="http://faultline.org/index.php/site/comments/popularizing_and_purism/" REL="nofollow">own-fork bringers</A>, that always seems to come up in these discussions, and hell no that's not limited to environmentalists.<BR/><BR/>It would also be a decent conversation if it weren't, in this particular instance, a . . . hmm, what adjectives haven't we used yet? Oh, hell, let's just recycle 'em: Manipulative, dismissive, underhanded tactic to reframe a preexisting discussion WHICH WAS NOT ABOUT POPULARISM VERSUS PURISM, AT ALL.<BR/><BR/>So if someone--let's call that someone NotHugo--wants to have a chat about popularists and purists that is unrelated to your post or to anyone's damn book deals, I might be interested in it. And then again, I might be just a teensy bit cynical about how the whole thing was going to turn out, in light of recent events.<BR/><BR/>You know what's funny? Conservatives do the opposite of this. It's the purists, the extremists, who have the most pull. Of course they don't think so, because they don't get what they want instantly, immediately, or sometimes at all. But on the right, if you want to know what's coming down the pike, you keep an eye on the so-called purists, because what they want is where things are heading, no matter what any dim-bulb moderate dupes like, uh, this one woman I used to be--I mean know, this one woman I used to know!--think is going on.<BR/><BR/>But for some reason there are like all these lefties who think Republican Lite is the way to go and I don't know, I don't get it. You don't win tug-of-wars, culture wars, or political battles by <EM>yielding</EM>.ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-59950183996464292542008-01-06T21:51:00.000-07:002008-01-06T21:51:00.000-07:00I'm sorry, Donna. I hope you're able to reach you...I'm sorry, Donna. I hope you're able to reach your mom.ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-43524638222664872442008-01-06T21:15:00.000-07:002008-01-06T21:15:00.000-07:00Poor Donna's mom. Thinking of you & the family.Poor Donna's mom. Thinking of you & the family.Theriomorphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04968544085442387475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-23112480636541648842008-01-06T19:55:00.000-07:002008-01-06T19:55:00.000-07:00I'm so sorry, Donna.I'm so sorry, Donna.Chris Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272742732960580374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-42895598060745446662008-01-06T18:49:00.000-07:002008-01-06T18:49:00.000-07:00I have to disappoint on my take on the alternate u...I have to disappoint on my take on the alternate universe Hugo, but Chris did such a nice job, I don't think I could beat that anyway.<BR/><BR/>I found out today that one of my uncles died yesterday. I wasn't really all that close to him, but he was my mother's brother and she was very close to him. It was one of my cousins who told me. I don't think my mom can talk on the phone yet because I've been calling and she isn't answering.Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714518339153250453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-16261943968039262552008-01-06T17:57:00.000-07:002008-01-06T17:57:00.000-07:00Okay, you know - there are people running all over...Okay, you know - there are people running all over the internet now using the terms 'purist' and 'popularizer' to describe themselves or others in re: feminism.<BR/><BR/>Nice going, Hugo. So glad people continue to listen to the white guy instead of the people whose lives are actually on the line, and whose whole lives' expertise is in, oh, you know, reality.<BR/><BR/>Had a shower.<BR/><BR/>I'd like a flamethrower now, please.Theriomorphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04968544085442387475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-64848790723059900072008-01-06T16:51:00.000-07:002008-01-06T16:51:00.000-07:00*referee's whistle*Hugo's being deceptively manipu...*referee's whistle*<BR/><BR/>Hugo's being deceptively manipulative and slimy is no reflection on the intelligence of anyone here. Illegal self-criticism foul, ilyka and T'morph. Five-yard penalty.Chris Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02272742732960580374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-56125560333672264082008-01-06T16:16:00.000-07:002008-01-06T16:16:00.000-07:00It's taken me literally YEARS. I'm not too bright....<I>It's taken me literally YEARS. I'm not too bright.</I><BR/><BR/>Me neither, <A HREF="http://theriomorph.blogspot.com/2006/04/loving-narcissist-instruction-manual.html" REL="nofollow">apparently.</A><BR/><BR/>Depressingly, that is my most frequently hit post, and the search strings leading to it always grim stories in themselves.<BR/><BR/>I keep thinking I've got them kicked, can spot 'em at 20 paces and go the other way - then find I'm still engaging.<BR/><BR/>Thankfully, with Hugo, it was never a question of intimate relationship (runs for shower again).<BR/><BR/>/OTTheriomorphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04968544085442387475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-12376033814769223532008-01-06T16:04:00.000-07:002008-01-06T16:04:00.000-07:00Once he said the word 'narcissist,' I made the dec...<EM>Once he said the word 'narcissist,' I made the decision not to engage with Hugo directly anymore. Been there done that, bled the cost. I finally 'got' who I was talking to, and why it wasn't computing.</EM><BR/><BR/>It's taken me literally YEARS. I'm not too bright.ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.com