tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post7612664386144350234..comments2023-12-22T03:20:29.631-07:00Comments on Ilyka Damen: Toleranceilykahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-76218855442684129872006-12-27T00:45:00.000-07:002006-12-27T00:45:00.000-07:00Hm. I don't really get this. Is this about the Cot...Hm. I don't really get this. Is this about the Cotillion? After all, I'm in the Cotillion. Most of 'em have gay friends, and it's fairly well-known there that I'm bisexual. <br /><br />I certainly don't remember that discussion at all, but of course I don't participate in a lot of these threads: too many demands on my time. <br /><br />I'd be willing to bet that those Cotillion-ites who don't favor same-sex marriage (for religious reasons, because they are linguistic conservatives who don't want the word to change its meaning) are in favor of civil unions. (Me? I think the state should get out of the marriage business, and all such partnerships should be civil unions.)<br /><br />So I'm rather perplexed at the notion that the Cotillion is harboring a bunch of homophobes.Attila Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09925910545848768400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-56854666019585020432006-12-24T06:21:00.000-07:002006-12-24T06:21:00.000-07:00That isn't a trick question, because I can think o...That isn't a trick question, because I can think of 1 President who doesn't fit the "standard Christian" definition.<br /><br />Then you have to answer the question, "Are Masons Christian?" I know some Christians don't think so, I am less clear on what he Masons think.Zendo Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00094772654735415974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-47096697713444655962006-12-24T06:18:00.000-07:002006-12-24T06:18:00.000-07:00Thanks again for the support....
In terms of the ...Thanks again for the support....<br /><br />In terms of the "background" there isn't much to the story. A bunch of heterosexual Christian (in name anyway) conservatives feel they are superior to everyone else - and they have trouble with tolerance..<br /><br />They also want to arrange the world so that people like them are happy and everyone else can just go pound sand.<br /><br />As Ilyka says, there isn't anything new about this under the sun. The KKK is the "perfect" example of a fine upstanding "Christian" organization that is completely comfortable trying to force the world into their view, and is willing to use any means to make that happen. In the case of the Klan, they use terror. In the case of most Christians, they just rely on their control of the government. (And before you get your knickers in a knot, exactly how many Presidents of these United States have not been Christian?)Zendo Debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00094772654735415974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-34645427594386653122006-12-19T10:20:00.000-07:002006-12-19T10:20:00.000-07:00*goes off grumbling that Genni words things better...<i>*goes off grumbling that Genni words things better again dammit*</i><br /><br />Try going to lunch with her! She can do that, like, face to face. Without a monitor! Without typing! I do not understand it. I just marvel at it.ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-54986547776300597132006-12-19T10:17:00.000-07:002006-12-19T10:17:00.000-07:00OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH.
You (white Chris...OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH.<br /><br /><i>You (white Christians) were asked to Love Thy Neighbor, not Tolerate Thy Neighbor While Gossiping About Them To Your Best Friend and Telling Your Children That They're Going To Hell.</i><br /><br />That? That needs tattooing on the back of some necks in a smallish enough font that it will fade to the front of the neck. That was fucking great and-from what this short-bus rider can make of this talcum powder bomb, accurate.<br /><br />*goes off grumbling that Genni words things better again dammit*<br /><br />-HelenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-42503336327105775242006-12-19T09:19:00.000-07:002006-12-19T09:19:00.000-07:00Ilyka - great post.
The whole "tolerance" thing...Ilyka - great post. <br /><br />The whole "tolerance" thing has pissed me off for years - I've always thought it was a condescending term.<br /><br />And I loved this part as well:<br /><br />//I don't respect the opinions of September 11 conspiracy theorists. I don't respect the opinions expressed in The Protocols of the Elder Zion. I don't respect the opinions of the KKK Grand Wizard, whoever he is. I don't respect the opinions of bigots, crackpots, hucksters, TRex, or Sean Hannity.//<br /><br />Exactly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-80508475039542285302006-12-19T09:02:00.000-07:002006-12-19T09:02:00.000-07:00(pats seat next to her on short bus, then waves fr...(pats seat next to her on short bus, then waves frantically at Helen, shrieking her name and hopping up and down....it *is* the short bus, after all)<br /><br />Sometimes I read something and think, "I am clearly too stupid to follow this, and should stop trying to play in the big leagues..." But, I think the issue of the perception of tolerance remains valid, even if I don't know what begat the wretched name calling. <br /><br />I very much appreciate your drawing attention to the fact that tolerance is a state of being that implies superiority smiling patiently at inferiority. Belledame222 is right, one tolerates the three year old (for a time, then one loses one's mind and calls the three year old's father and threatens divorce if he's late getting home from work...) because the adult is superior to the child, and recognizes the child's inability to control itself. This is the same attitude used to justify all kinds of de-humanizing attitudes throughout the centuries. If tolerance is the very best you can manage, fine, but don't be patting yourself on the back during the sermon. You (white Christians) were asked to Love Thy Neighbor, not Tolerate Thy Neighbor While Gossiping About Them To Your Best Friend and Telling Your Children That They're Going To Hell.gennimcmahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14831070269882075011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-51402387236700272952006-12-19T02:36:00.000-07:002006-12-19T02:36:00.000-07:00*Holds hand up as one of those who asked for backg...*Holds hand up as one of those who asked for background*<br /><br />I stil don't get it, and I'm not a short-bus rider. I did try. I even read it twice while allegedly listening to a conference call. I think it has the backbone in the locked Google discussion you referred to, so that if we were part of that we'd be all: "I TOTALLY know what's the background here."<br /><br />Instead I offer this: I noticed some comments from some folk that they don't back people up because said attacked folk asked them. I say: "Then you have no friends. Friends don't let friends blog argue drunk. Left, right, marriage, marriage bust up, fuck it."<br /><br />It all looks ugly from this seat, and the attacks on you very personal, which is naughty on many, many levels. That, and the ugly attacks show some people for whom they really are.<br /><br />-HelenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-36928370770997115552006-12-18T22:29:00.000-07:002006-12-18T22:29:00.000-07:00well, i dunno this one, but all's i have to say af...well, i dunno this one, but all's i have to say after reading this is: you go.<br /><br />personally i don't want to be "tolerated." "Toleration" is what you do with, like, the three year old pulling on your hair. Civil rights are not dependent on the magnanimousness of the people in power, and it's about time more people became cognizant of it.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-24435094430409300712006-12-18T22:13:00.000-07:002006-12-18T22:13:00.000-07:00Frankly, I would often be happy to just get tolera...Frankly, I would often be happy to just get tolerance. Sure, it's a bare minimum for civil society -- but we're not there anyhow, nor anywhere near.<br /><br />Straight, upper middle class, white male Christians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com