tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post3482286721556018376..comments2023-12-22T03:20:29.631-07:00Comments on Ilyka Damen: I Will Quit Beating This Dead Horse When You Pry the Club from my Cold, Dead Fingersilykahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-62529933974897071672007-03-12T14:38:00.000-06:002007-03-12T14:38:00.000-06:00Lesley's got it, but for the record, no: I am ack...Lesley's got it, but for the record, no: I am acknowledging that said stereotype exists, and that a hierarchy exists such that women are generally perceived as less threatening than black men. None of this should be taken to mean that I wish to perpetuate either stereotype. I do not.<BR/><BR/>I am also saying some of these white boy nerds are only persuaded to check themselves by consideration of the possible consequences of <EM>not</EM> checking themselves, and I am saying that is wrong. "Because someone might kick my ass if I don't stop [behavior]" doesn't get you morality points, progressive points, or in fact any points at all.ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-56660914290450641002007-03-12T12:37:00.000-06:002007-03-12T12:37:00.000-06:00I should update my last comment to say "women or m...I should update my last comment to say "women or men significantly smaller than they are." The basic gist being that it's not particularly brave to only utter offensive comments to people you aren't afraid will punch you.Lesley Plumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15194216391809778540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-40407594210787720232007-03-12T11:37:00.000-06:002007-03-12T11:37:00.000-06:00... which any of these jackboot-licking nerds coul...<I>... which any of these jackboot-licking nerds could easily prove or disprove merely by walking up to any large man of African-American descent and explaining to him why he shouldn't choose to find the n-word offensive. But these whiny-ass tittybabies aren't going to do that, because deep down they know that's going to end in an ass-kicking, with the probability of the ass getting kicked being theirs approaching 1.</I><BR/><BR/>So... is that just a coincidence, or are you stereotyping black men as violent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-61609123852132628772007-03-12T11:18:00.000-06:002007-03-12T11:18:00.000-06:00Well, roy, it's always nice to know who, in the en...Well, roy, it's always nice to know who, in the end, is *not* on one's side. Thanks for making it so plain, so I know now not to even bother taking you seriously as a human being, no matter how many other smart things you may have said that I agree with. How brave and courageous you are, to leap in and endorse the status quo of conservative masculine privilege against the Feminazi Hordes, right alongside of your good buddy Rush...<BR/><BR/>--Ilyka, what we see here is that the Brotherhood of Lad transcends all mere political parties and ideologies...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-89861803757368844352007-03-09T10:41:00.000-07:002007-03-09T10:41:00.000-07:00...some things are more important even than being ...<I>...some things are more important even than being right.</I><BR/><BR/>Sure, Roy - things like decency, or kindness. Crafting the oh-so-perfect-sentence-to-show-those-cunts, well, not so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-6648035432168692532007-03-09T08:55:00.000-07:002007-03-09T08:55:00.000-07:00I appreciate the feedback. In matters of word choi...I appreciate the feedback. In matters of word choice, I neither ask nor give quarter. So I am definitely not seeking a feminism pass to use the word "cunt." If I lose some of you on that score, well, I deserve it. I'm not <I>entitled</I> to anyone's admiration or readership. <BR/><BR/>On some matters you just have to go it alone. I take the arguments I've read here seriously, but in the final analysis I'll make my writing decisions based on my own standards. That this makes me sound like many other eminent horses' asses is regrettable. But believe it or not, some things are more important even than being right.roy edrosohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15161980502027888634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-34539145672416422192007-03-08T12:56:00.000-07:002007-03-08T12:56:00.000-07:00Heraclitus:Why do liberals have to be so pretentio...Heraclitus:<I>Why do liberals have to be so pretentious when they're called on their use of misogynist language?</I><BR/><BR/>To defend their privelege? To avoid admitting they're wrong? How many guesses do I get? <BR/><BR/><I>I heard they'll castrate ya bitch ass.</I><BR/><BR/>I know how you meant this, but still, the worst insult we can offer a dude is to imply that there's something <I>womanish</I> about him.<BR/><BR/>The terrorists have won!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-35956921056908504172007-03-08T12:52:00.000-07:002007-03-08T12:52:00.000-07:00How is it not blisteringly obvious that if I hold ...How is it not blisteringly obvious that if I hold a certain value, then I don't act contrary to that value?<BR/><BR/>I'm thinking a so-called "progressive" who can use the word "cunt" and then metaphorically pat a woman on the cheek and say "oh, honey, I was just being <I>ironic</I>", has missed a memo or two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-79579188388713135322007-03-08T12:27:00.000-07:002007-03-08T12:27:00.000-07:00The "staggering diversity of opinion on what cunt ...<I>The "staggering diversity of opinion on what cunt means," it will not surprise you to learn, is achieved almost entirely from members of the class who have traditionally used the term, and scarcely at all from members of the class against whom it has been used. Pardon my incivility, but fuck your fake diversity, you bubbling leg-dribbles of choleric shit.</I><BR/><BR/>Have I mentioned lately that I love you? Because I do. Deeply.<BR/><BR/>Jesus Christ, it's so tiresome when these guys expend so much bandwith to rationalize their use of an insult, and then pretend that there's nothing offensive about it, even when people are telling them it's offensive.<BR/><BR/>That one guy even acknowledged that "cunt" was a term often hurled at victims of abuse, as part of their abuse, but rather than come to the obvious conclusion that maybe it's an abusive and degrading term, he instead pulled some "bitches gotta get desensitized" rationale out of his ass.<BR/><BR/>Because, see, we're actually <I>helping</I> the little ladies when we spit dehumanizing epithets at them. <BR/><BR/>zuzuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-89139449202809926132007-03-08T05:53:00.000-07:002007-03-08T05:53:00.000-07:00Oy vey, did they really pull out the CONTEXT MATTE...Oy vey, did they really pull out the CONTEXT MATTERS!!11!!!ELEVEN!! bullshit? Well, no shit to them. If you're using the term "cunt" to describe what someone sexist might say or in a description of something that occurred, then the context renders its use non-problematic.<BR/><BR/>But when you're using it as to insult someone else, the context is that you're using it as an insult. That's the entire context. It doesn't become less of an insult that's based upon the idea that being like a woman is horrible if you use it against one person vs. another. Or if you only use it in situations where the other person has used sexist language themselves. So if you do use it as an insult, context only matters in so far as it allows you to continue to delude yourself that you're not being sexist.<BR/><BR/>As for the choosing to find something offensive or not thing, I think these guys shouldn't be the slightest bit offended when I say they're sexist asshats. After all context matters. In the context of their using insults based on women's bodies, saying they're sexist asshats isn't an insult. It's an accurate description. So they should totally choose not to be offended. Right?Lesley Plumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15194216391809778540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-47347715143464998222007-03-08T00:41:00.000-07:002007-03-08T00:41:00.000-07:00Well, Ilyka, at least you have the comfort of bein...Well, Ilyka, at least you have the comfort of being RIGHT. I am not being snarky; you are just totally right, and all the smarter, nicer people agree with you.<BR/><BR/>The one thing I learned is exactly what you learned: some white liberal dudes just WON'T examine their behavior, and will die defending it knee-jerk and off the cuff. They simply <I>refuse</I> to consider that they might be wrong. To an embarrassing, and beyond-embarrassing degree.<BR/><BR/>(I kind of detect an undertone of "wah, we already had to give up n______r and Faggot; if we have to give up Fatso and Cunt, this just won't be FUN anymore!")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-56233197833966408682007-03-07T18:59:00.000-07:002007-03-07T18:59:00.000-07:00Carl, thanks! If you could drop me a link to your...Carl, thanks! If you could drop me a link to your blog we could see about upping those numbers.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, if there's one thing I learned this week it's that the two most effective means of making a white guy lose his shit are to:<BR/><BR/>1. Imply even vaguely that he could ever be mistaken for somebody's bitch, or to<BR/><BR/>2. Imply he wasn't born knowing everything.<BR/><BR/>I am tired of having willfully ignorant people talk to me as though I were stupid, when the whole reason they're ignorant in the first place is because they view "listening" to anyone outside their own privileged-guy echo chambers as such a faggy thing to do.ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-78298644980703902502007-03-07T18:17:00.000-07:002007-03-07T18:17:00.000-07:00their understanding of the context is incomplete d...<I>their understanding of the context is incomplete due to the unavoidable limitations of their own lived experience</I><BR/><BR/>Word. Could this be inscribed somewhere, in large, blinking, neon letters?<BR/><BR/>Or I could just redirect all incoming requests to my blog (all 3 of them) to <A HREF="http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-03-08_146" REL="nofollow">tekanji's privilege post</A>.Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05987789426843540503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-85020798802676627152007-03-07T18:13:00.000-07:002007-03-07T18:13:00.000-07:00It was the 'unexpected' idea that struck me also. ...It was the 'unexpected' idea that struck me also. I'm guessing that since being called a womans body part as a derrogatory slur is outside his daily experience he has the luxury of considering it the unexpected. Why worry about the half of the population that is sick and tired of being the default insult for the other half. Asshat is an appropriate term for people who have their head so firmly pressed into their anus that they cannot see what would be staring them in the face were they not an asshat.the bewildernesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07897473556532788312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-44842610180696822412007-03-07T18:11:00.000-07:002007-03-07T18:11:00.000-07:00I heard they repealed the First Amendment!!11!I heard they repealed the First Amendment!!11!ilykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286988732452435904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-80788209890830822042007-03-07T16:30:00.000-07:002007-03-07T16:30:00.000-07:00Oh, thank God. Now maybe the "you try walking thro...Oh, thank God. Now maybe the "you try walking through the mall with Ann Coulter" jokes will finally die.<BR/><BR/>And hopefully, snide references to Feministe/language police/THOSE UNFUNNY JERKS WHO WON'T LET US SAY BAD WORDS ZOMG along with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-11438223800447047682007-03-07T12:42:00.000-07:002007-03-07T12:42:00.000-07:00Why do liberals have to be so pretentious when the...Why do liberals have to be so pretentious when they're called on their use of misogynist language? "Language is my <I>metier</I>"? Another reason I think so highly of Amanda is that she never tried to compare herself to Masaccio, trying to revolutionize our perspective on language and the political. She was just all, "Goddamned right I have a fuckin' potty mouth. You limpdicked would-be wankers got a problem with that?"<BR/><BR/>I agree with wolfa that misogynist language doesn't get a pass so long as it's directed at dudes. I don't know about the blog or the post you're discussing here, but the seaward and such, like "faggot," only have bite because of the prejudice. Although I've never liked misogyny or insulting women, I've called other men cunts and bitches before. I didn't see that there was necessarily a problem with it until someone (I think zuzu) pointed out on a Feministe thread that those insults only work because it's considered some terrible thing to be a woman. That sounds so crazy the mind rebels, but it's really the only explanation that makes any sense. So I, at least, don't think "Well, I called Reynolds a cunt, too" really works as a get out of jail free card..https://www.blogger.com/profile/10005039587726775089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-57353039775142337432007-03-07T09:32:00.000-07:002007-03-07T09:32:00.000-07:00Why do you want Teh Right Wingz to win?/concern tr...Why do you want Teh Right Wingz to win?<BR/><BR/>/concern troll<BR/><BR/>I am increasingly amazed at the ability of some of the whiners to find ever more bizarre rationales for their use of sexist and/or homophobic slurs as long as they're used against the "proper targets." Really, they're not the WMD of left wing attacks on right wingers. They're the proverbial gun that gets turned back on us. I don't care how many times one of them insists "If we're not as dirty as they are, we'll keep losing." Repeating it over and over without a shred of evidence to back it up doesn't make it true. The next time I wind up reading some right winger writing "Ha, look how hypocritical the left is! They're the *real* sexists, racists, homophobes, etc." I want to plaster it on their virtual houses.<BR/><BR/>The reason most people don't have as much of a problem when someone like Rude Pundit does it is he doesn't pretend to have some moral motives behind it. He doesn't pretend it's some vaunted use of Teh Irony (that will be lost on its intended audience, making at best totally unsuccessful irony). He just does it. So while I, personally, don't like it any better when he does it, I am at least spared the Now With Extra Annoyance! factor of the "Oh, but don't you understand that this a morally superior use of these terms." Just because someone's general political positions might be morally superior to their opponent's doesn't automatically render their tactics so.Lesley Plumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15194216391809778540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29906474.post-70819837160980604932007-03-07T08:43:00.000-07:002007-03-07T08:43:00.000-07:00You can never overstate the ameliorative effect of...You can never overstate the ameliorative effect of utilizing a Glaswegian accent when saying the c-word. Because then it sounds like coont.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com